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TELECOM Digest     Tue, 6 Dec 94 14:23:00 CST    Volume 14 : Issue 441

Inside This Issue:                          Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Internet (was Re: MCI's Announcement) (Ajay Shah)
    Re: Pager Advice Wanted (Andrew Laurence)
    Call For Papers: ICCC95 (Lee JaiYong)
    Re: Emergency Numbers in Various Countries (Yves Blondeel)
    Re: WilTel Ignores *67 For Caller ID, Also Incorrect Billing (Glen
Roberts)
    Re: 911 From Unactivated Cell Phone? (Shawn Gordhamer)

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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 14:40:53+050
From: [e-mail] (Ajay Shah)
Subject: Internet (Was Re: MCI's Announcement)


I don't think it's so bad.

John Higdon <[e-mail]> writes:

> The Internet has several, distinctive traditions. One is the concept
> of, as you put it, fixed rate access. Need to download a couple of
> megabytes of material? Fine. How fast the transfer takes place is

Fixed rate access is also music to the ears of _paying_ customers.
Look at the success of netcom, for example.  Internet providers that
meter by the hour are going to find life very difficult.

So I don't see how the likes of MCI can dislodge fixed rate access.

> The commercializers would like to begin charging you for each and
> every item you download or utilize. As carriers, they would do this
by

This is technically infeasible if a Internet provider is giving out IP
connectivity.  If lusers are stupid enough to buy some shrink wrapped
web browser running under MSW, which might support some ridiculous
metering-per-use concepts, then it's their funeral.  Internet
providers who sell such applications won't be hurting "our Internet".

> But what is more sinister involves a redefinition of the Internet
> structure from peer-to-peer to client/server. The commercializers
see

That is not really true.  The basic protocols, and their symmetry
between peers, are very much in place.  The only new twist is idiocy
like shrink-wrapped MS Windows applications which let you access the
net without knowing anything.

> make money is with such a device. If it is necessary to kill the
> Internet in order to save it by turning it into a gigantic Prodigy
or
> CompuServe, then the era is at an end. The great Information
> Superhighway that we have been looking forward to will be nothing
more
> than 500 cable channels and a dozen shopping channels.

>> it. My main concern is that those of us who have over the years
helped
>> to make the net what it is today not be forgotten.   PAT]

I have some slightly heretical opinions on this:

a) I think VOD is much oversold.

   It takes T1 lines to the home to deliver VOD, and that is some
   ways off.

   The new medium that is the Internet is capable of a whole
   lot of wonderful things; it is not clear that a server offering
   a "family ties" episode of your choice is the smartest thing that
   we can do (in a money-maximising sense) with something like the
   Internet.

   Instead the "killer app" is likely to be applications like the web,
   which work _now_ off 14.4k lines.  I think multi user games have
   a great future.  When you can play multi user games, I think you
   won't want to see conventional hollywood programming.  In that
   sense I think the threat of the internet turning into cableTV-
   just-VOD is overrated.

b) I think the greatest threat is the creeping encroachment
   of Microsoft into internet protocols.  Microsoft is trying
   to basically ignore the RFC procedure in connection with
   internet protocols, and I think that is terribly dangerous.

   Similarly, at a technical level, if protocols like SMTP and HTTP
   evolve in the direction of a commercial internet, then that will be
   quite sad.  There is a message for us: if you care about this,
   then participate in standards processes!  Otherwise we'll have
   gunk like Microsoft breathing down our necks.

c) Another threat is the swamping of the original Internet crowd
   by the great unwashed masses.  I'm quite elitist, and I think
   that  an internet built of people from the great universities
   and research institutions was a Good thing.  But exactly how
   will this swamping occur? Anyway we're not going to have these
   newbies participating in things like comp.dcom.telecom

   Answer: we're going to have them on groups like alt.sex!  :-)
   Conclusion: the great unwashed masses will "spoil" some
recreational
   parts of the net for us.  But the more fascinating recreational
   parts, like comp.unix.wizards, are unlikely to be hurt.

I full well expect the origins of the Internet will be shrouded in
mystery and mostly forgotten by "the masses".  How many people using
PCs know about the noble origins of MS-DOS?  :-) There will always be
a hacker community which will have a different view of the world, but
that community will increasingly become a tiny minority on the net.  I
guess that's okay.


ans

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From: [e-mail] (Andrew Laurence)
Subject: Re: Pager Advice Wanted
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700
guest)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 00:38:26 GMT


[e-mail] (Russell Brunelle) writes:

> It would have to have a monthly fee that's very low (I don't mind if
> the unit is expensive to buy, because I'm paying for that, but she
> will be paying the monthly fee so that should be QUITE low), a
display
> that can light up so you can read it when it's dark, the ability to
> vibrate (or do something quietly) instead of beep so it doesn't bug
> people, and the ability to store a few numbers in case several
people
> call in a row.

I pay $8.50 per month for unlimited use on a six-month contract. I
live in the San Francisco Bay Area. I bought a used Motorola Bravo
numeric only display pager for $25 from someone on the Net, and it's
worked fine.  I broke the belt clip, replaced it, and later broke the
flange where the clip fits into the pager housing, so I bought a new
housing for $10, and now I have a cool-looking magenta translucent
housing (you can see the "guts").

> I would also like (and perhaps here is where some advice would come
> in) the ability to send some sort of message with the phone number.
> This could be as simple as the pager allowing me to type more than
> seven digits so the first seven digits would be the phone number she
> should call and the rest are a code indicating generally what the
call
> is about and how urgent it is (i.e. 44 for it's just to chat, 77 for
> the cat died, etc.).  Is there some way to type a space or dash
> character so the person can tell where the phone number ends and the
> code begins?

Pressing the * key on a touch-tone phone will generate a hyphen on
most pagers. It certainly works on mine. My carrier is PageNet, and I
believe they have an office in the Seattle area.

> Also, wasn't there a book published recently with three digit codes
> for various messages?  Does anyone know what this was called or
where
> I could find something like this?

I am not aware of this, but it sounds like a good idea.

> What sort of pager should I get, and where could I get it the most
> inexpensively?  Is there some neat new feature I should look for in
a
> pager?

Motorola Bravo, Bravo Plus, and Bravo Express tend to be reliable and
easily affordable. Some resellers offer a pager cheap if you sign up
for service. Also, you can usually buy a pager and apply for service
at Price Costco warehouses.


Andrew Laurence [e-mail] | | Certified NetWare
Administrator (CNA) Oakland, California, USA | | CD-ROM Networking
Consultant Pacific Standard Time (GMT-8) | | Phone: [phone]
Pager: [phone] Fax: [phone]

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From: [e-mail] (Lee JaiYong)
Subject: Call For Papers: ICCC95
Date: 6 Dec 1994 11:52:17 GMT
Organization: Yonsei University


Following is the SECOND CALL FOR PAPER for ICCC'95(revised version) to
be held in Seoul Korea 1995.

Publicity Chair,
ICCC'95
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                        CALL FOR PAPERS
                             ICCC '95

       "Information Highways for a Smaller World  & Better Living"
     Seoul, Korea
                     August 21 - 24, 1995


    The ICCC, the International Council for Computer Communication
(ICCC),
    founded in 1972,  is an Affiliate Member of the International
Federation
    for Information Processing (IFIP).

    Its purposes are to foster:
       scientific research and the development of computer
communication;
        progress in the evaluation of applications of computer
communication
 to educational, scientific, medical, economic, legal, cultural and
 other peaceful purposes;
        study of the potential social and economic impacts of computer
 communcation and of policies which influence those impacts.

    This 12th conference aims at providing a forum to exchange ideas,
discuss
    key issues and to present  the late research results for
"Information
    Highways for a Smaller World & Better Living."  The main program
includes
    technical presentations, invited talks, tutorials, and technical
visits.

    TOPICS :  Areas of interest include but are not limited to

 . Strategies, Policies, and User       . Wireless Communications
   Perspectives of Information          . Intelligent Networks
   Superhighways                        . Personal Communication
Systems
        . Social and Economical Impacts        . Broadband
Communication
   of Information Superhighways         . ATM Switching
        . Computer Communication for           . International
Emergencies
   Developing Countries                 . Distance Learning
        . Network Planning                     . Optical
Communications
 . Security and Privacy in Computer     . Multimedia Communication and
          Communications                         its Applications
        . Evolution towards the High-Speed     . High-Speed Protocols
   Networks including Frame Relay       . Network Management
   and SMDS                             . Protocol Engineering
 . Packet Radio Technologies
 . Satellite Communications


    SUBMISSION OF PAPERS

        Prospective authors should send 5 copies of a full paper to
the following address:

  ICCC'95
  Dr. Seon Jong Chung
  ICCC'95 Technical Program Chairman
  ETRI,  Yusong P.O.Box 106, Taejon, Korea, 305-606
  Tel: [phone]
  Fax: [phone]
  E-mail: [e-mail]

The manuscript should not exceed 4000 words in length and should
include author's name, affiliation, and addresses(telephone, e-mail,
fax), and 150-200 words abstracts in the title page. Also, authors are
encouraged to send a Postscript version of their full paper to the
Technical Program Committee Chairman by e-mail [e-mail]

                     |-------------------------------|
                     |  Important Dates              |
                     |    Submission of Paper        |
                     |      February 1st, 1995       |
                     |    Notification of Acceptance |
                     |      May 1st, 1995            |
                     |    Camera-ready Papers        |
                     |      June 15th, 1995          |
                     |-------------------------------|
    Sponsored by
 The International Council for Computer Communication

    Hosted by
 Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute
 Korea Information Science Society

    Under the Patronage of
 Ministry of Communication, The Republic of Korea

    Conference Governor
 Ronald P.Uhlig, Northern Telecom, U.S.A.

    Conference Organizing Committee
 Chair : Chongsun Hwang, KISS, Korea
 Co-Chair : Seungtaik Yang, ETRI, Korea

    Local Arrangement
 Dongho Lee, Kwangwoon Unvi., Korea

    Publication
 Keosang Lee, Dacom, Korea

    Publicity
 Jaiyong Lee, Yon-Sei Univ., Korea

    Registration
 Samyoung Suh, NCA, Korea

    Treasurer
 Seungkyu Park, Ajou Univ., Korea

    Tutorial
 Sunshin An, Korea Univ., Korea

    Social Program
 Nosik Kim, KTRC, Korea

    Secretariate
 Yanghee Choi, SNU, Korea
        Jinpyo Hong, ETRI, Korea

    Technical Program
        Chair : Seonjong Chung, ETRI, Korea
 Co-Chairs : Serge Fdida, MASI, France
      Nicholas Georganas, Univ. of Ottawa, Canada
      Roger Needham, Univ. of Cambridge, U.K.
      Otto Spaniol, Aachen Tech. Univ., Germany
      Hideyoshi Tominaga, Waseda Univ., Japan
      Pramode Verma, AT&T, U.S.A.

        Members : Sunshin An, Korea Univ., Korea
    Yanghee Choi, SNU, Korea
    Jin Pyo Hong, ETRI/PEC, Korea
    Byungchul Shin, KAIST, Korea
    Yongjin Park, Hanyang Univ., Korea
    Donggyoo Kim, Ajou Univ., Korea
    Seungkyu Park, Ajou Univ., Korea
    Dongho Lee, Kwangwoon Univ., Korea
    Kwangsue Chung, Kwangwoon Univ., Korea
    Daeyoung Kim, Cheoungnam National Univ., Korea
    Ilyoung Chung, ETRI, Korea
    Chimoon Han, ETRI, Korea
    Woojik Chon, ETRI, Korea
    Hoon Choi, ETRI, Korea
    Jaiyong Lee, Yonsei Univ., Korea
    Tadao Saito, Tokyo Univ., Japan
                  Tahahiko Kamae, HP Lab., Japan
    Reigo Yatsuboshi, Fujitsu Lab., Japan
    Kinji Ono, NACSIS, Japan
    Michel Diaz, LAAS-CNRS, France
    Christophie Diot, INRIA, France
    Jean-Yves Le Boudec, IBM, Zurich Lab., Swiss
    Georgio Ventre, Univ. di Napoli, France
    David Hutchison, Lanchaster Univ., U.K.
    Augusto Casaca, INES,Portugal
    Martina Zitterbart, Univ. of Karlsruhe, Germany
    Ulf Koerner, Lund Univ., Sweden
    David J. Farber, Univ. of Pennsylvania, USA
    Reg A. Kaenel, Marcicopa-County Comm. College, USA
    Ira Cotton, USA
    Martin E. Silveretoin, USA
    Albert Kuendig, Swiss Federal Inst. of Tech., Swiss


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From: Yves Blondeel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Emergency Numbers in Various Countries
Date: 6 Dec 1994 19:48:18 GMT
Organization: FUNDP, Namur, Belgium


[e-mail] (Kimmo Ketolainen) wrote:

> Do you have any other to add, Pat? -- list of emergency numbers.

The European Union has adopted 112 as a single European emergency call
number. This was done by Council Decision 91/396/EEC of 29 July 1991.

Article 1 of the Decision states that:

Member States shall ensure that the number 112 is introduced in public
telephone networks as well as in future integrated services digital
networks and public mobile services, as the single European emergency
call number.

The single European emergency call number shall be introduced in
parallel with any other national emergency call numbers, where this
seems appropriate.

Article 2 of the Decision states that:

The single European emergency call number shall be introduced by
31 December 1992 at the latest, except... (exceptions to be justified)
 ..

Note: if exceptions are used, the new date must be no later than
      31 December 1996.


Yves Blondeel
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Glen L. Roberts)
Subject: Re: WilTel Ignores *67 For Caller ID, Also Incorrect Billing
Date: 6 Dec 1994 20:04:31 GMT
Organization: WorldWide Access - Chicago Area Internet Services 312-
282-8605


Glen L. Roberts ([e-mail]) wrote:

> CID Tech/INSG ([e-mail]) wrote:

>> I just noticed that WilTel has turned on Caller ID signaling from
CT
>> to points outward, such as New York and New Jersey.

> You can always check by calling 10555-1-708-356-9646 ... also,
preceed
> it with the *67 ... You will hear whatever Caller-ID Info AmeriTech
> passes on.


> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I got some interesting results from
> trying out the above number in different ways. When I simply dialed
> it locally (I am in 708) as 356-9646 it responded with a message
> giving me the (non-published) name and number on my phone. When I

Even though I log this information analyze what areas supply what
information, it is not sold, or used for any marketing purposes (you
gotta leave a message if you want any more information...). I am quite
happy if people just use it to expirement with the phone system.

> dialed it with *67 first, then it responded by telling me I had
> pressed that code to hade my name and number. In both instances
> after a short blurb about Caller-ID and privacy, it then went on
> to say if calling from a fax machine to press 3, otherwise to begin
> speaking and leave a message. But ... I tried some other things as
> well:  Dialing 10555-356-9646 (remember, I am in 708 so don't use

Interestingly, Wiltel doesn't pass caller-id OUT OF illinois. For
example, when I called my Dad in Michigan, he doesn't get my number
(Wiltel is my normal LD carrier). Yet, if an associate in CA who also
uses Wiltel calls my dad in Michigan... caller-id is passed.

Wiltel in Michigan (313 and 616 but not 517) does passed Caller-ID
OUT.

> it in the dialing string) must have given his system some kind of
> different reaction since instead of the opening spiel about Caller-
ID,
> and/or lack of same by dialing *67 it answered immediatly with the
> message about 'if from a fax machine dial 3 ....', in other words
> in the middle of the original message. I also tried dialing to it
> via a WATS extender I am authorized to use in California. That is,
> I dialed the 800 number for my contact in California then outdialed
> back to 708-356-9646. That time Glen's machine answered the same
> way, but cutting in at the middle of the message telling me to
> 'dial 3 if calling from a fax machine ...'.   So apparently if the
> Caller-ID he gets is 'outside area' he chooses not to give has

Some others have commented on that ... and soon, it will have a
message for "out of area." I get no information about *67 if it is out
of area.

When you outdialed back to 708-356-9646 did you do it through Wiltel
(10555)?  If not, I doubt I'd get a number, as Wiltel seems to be the
only carrier currently passing caller-ID. (incidentally, I have gotten
names from 313, 216 and a couple other area codes).

> spiel at all ... and by using 10555 in front of the seven digit
> number -- even though local to me -- apparently no ID of any kind
> was passed as far as Glen. Then just on a lark I tried one final
> combination, dialing *67-10555-356-9646. That also cut me into the
> middle of his message (press 3 now). I am surprised he does not
> have some sort of greeting for that condition (outside of area)
> as well, since he provides for the other two conditions.   PAT]

According to Chris Cappuccio, you can fake out the number it gets:

Call 1-800-288-2880

Enter 616-334-3257-94  (or any number of a COCOT phone that uses
Wiltel/Encore)

Enter YOUR calling card number.

Enter [phone] when it asks for a number to call.

You should hear 616-334-3257 (or the COCOT phone number), not the
number you are calling from.


Glen L. Roberts, Editor, Full Disclosure
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From: [e-mail] (Shawn Gordhamer)
Subject: Re: 911 From Unactivated Cell Phone?
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700
guest)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 19:26:53 GMT


John Higdon <[e-mail]> writes:

> Not in California. Service providers and phone vendors are
> specifically prohibited from in any way linking the sale of the
phone
> to the activation of service. Although a number of dealers have
tried
> some sleazy tricks to avoid selling phones without activation
("sorry,
> I just looked and we are out of stock -- someone must not have taken
> the last one out of the computer..."), I have inside information
that
> even as we speak there are some undercover efforts to bring the big
> foot down on them.

So what great "wrong" was the CA politicians trying to rectify by
passing this law?  It seems like this is hurting, rather than helping
consumers.  I'm glad I'm not in CA (for a lot of reasons)!


Shawn Gordhamer    [e-mail]

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